Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 08:52:26 +0000
From: Business Enquiries <BusinessEnquiries@ordnancesurvey.co.uk>
To: "'dom@earth.li'" <dom@earth.li>
Subject: RE: Licensing for OSTN02 data

Hello Dominic



Thank you for your email regarding licensing for OSTN02 data.



Firstly I would like to apologies for the delay in responding to you.



I passed your enquiry to our Geodetic Team to view and they have confirmed that is what they would prefer. They appreciate what you are trying to do and think it is good but because OSTN02 has a very specific meaning then if the data is modified in a way that produces different results from our definitive implementation then it can no longer be called OSTN02.



I do hope you will find this helpful.



Kind regards



Neil.


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-----Original Message-----

From: Dominic Hargreaves [mailto:dom@earth.li]

Sent: 07 November 2012 19:58

To: Business Enquiries

Cc: 664558@bugs.debian.org<mailto:664558@bugs.debian.org>; ftpmaster@ftp-master.debian.org<mailto:ftpmaster@ftp-master.debian.org>

Subject: Re: Licensing for OSTN02 data



Hi,



Sorry for the long gap since my previous correspondence on this issue.



I have one more request which might be a good compromise we're all happy with; would you be happy with stating that the data may be modified, but that if the result is changed it is no longer called 'OSTN02'?



This would allow us to fit this software package in with the Free Software Guidelines whilst retaining the assurance you are reasonably striving for.



I'm CCing this message to a public bugtracker; I would be grateful if you could include the CCes in your reply, and unless you specify otherwise I will assume that replies may be publicly distributed.



Thanks,

Dominic.



On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:38:51AM +0100, Business Enquiries wrote:

> Hello Dominic

>

> Thank you for your reply.

>

> Our technical support team are happy that the NTv2 data can be

> incorporated in any way you see fit provided the "NTv2 format OSTN02

> data is (c) UK MOD Crown Copyright, 2002. All rights reserved." notice

> is included. The data can be modified "to fit" but as long as it

> produces the same result at the end.

>

> I do hope you will find this helpful.

>

> Kind regards

>

> Neil.

>

> Neil Wilson

> Customer Service Advisor

> Business Enquiries Team, Ordnance Survey Adanac Drive, SOUTHAMPTON,

> United Kingdom, SO16 0AS

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: Dominic Hargreaves [mailto:dom@earth.li]

> Sent: 17 June 2012 22:57

> To: Business Enquiries

> Cc: 664558@bugs.debian.org<mailto:664558@bugs.debian.org>

> Subject: Re: Licensing for OSTN02 data

>

> Hello Neil,

>

> Thanks for your reply, and for the clarificaton that the logo does not

> need to be displayed.

>

> With regards to the other modifications: the point is not that any

> modifications are desired at the moment, but that it is important in

> principle for software included in Debian that it *can* be modified if

> needed; this includes the data from the OS which has been incorporated

> into the software.

>

> This principle forms the basis of free/open source software. You can

> find out more about this in the links I provided earlier.

>

> What would be ideal from our perspective would be a modification of

> the licence terms of the OSTN02 data. An example of how this is

> sometimes done is

>

> http://www.debian.org/misc/bsd.license

>

> Regards,

> Dominic.

>

> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:50:15AM +0100, Business Enquiries wrote:

> > Hello Dominic

> >

> > Thank you for your email regarding OSTN02 data.

> >

> > Apologies for the delay in reply but the area I needed to pass the

> > information to have been away.

> >

> > They state that following the links you have provided it seems like

> > you are proposing a change to some Perl code that is delivered as

> > part

>

> > of the Debian flavour of the Linux operating system. The code in

> > question looks like it provides utilities to convert coordinates and

> > carry out the OSTN02 transformation. Looking at the page for the

> > existing code they are happy that the README file contains an

> > adequate

>

> > nod to the data being Crown Copyright.

> >

> > However, it seems to them that the code does a perfectly good job of

> > implementing OSTN02 so they are not sure why you are proposing to

> > change it or add the NTv2 version of the OSTN02 data set.

> >

> > They are happy that if the NTv2 data is incorporated into the code

> > then as long as the README file contains the additional line:

> >

> > "NTv2 format OSTN02 data is (c) UK MOD Crown Copyright, 2002. All

> > rights reserved."

> >

> > They are also happy that our requirement for logo display can be

> > relaxed.

> >

> > I do hope you will find this helpful.

> >

> > Kind regards

> >

> > Neil.

> >

> > Neil Wilson

> > Customer Service Advisor

> > Business Enquiries Team, Ordnance Survey Adanac Drive, SOUTHAMPTON,

> > United Kingdom, SO16 0AS

> > Phone: +44 (0) 8453 757535 |Fax: +44 (0) 8450990494

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> > email.

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> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: Dominic Hargreaves [mailto:dom@earth.li]

> > Sent: 29 May 2012 18:43

> > To: Customer Services

> > Cc: 664558@bugs.debian.org<mailto:664558@bugs.debian.org>

> > Subject: Licensing for OSTN02 data

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > Would you be able to put me in touch with the relevant department

> > concerning the licence grants related to the OSTN02 data described

> > at

> >

> > <http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/gps/osnetfreeservices/fur

> > th

> > er

> > info/ostn02_ntv2.html>?

> >

> > I have a query relating to use of this data in Free (please see [1]

> > for what I mean by this) software; in particular I would like to be

> > able to use this data in the widely used Debian GNU/Linux operating

> system.

> >

> > You can find information about my request for some software to be

> > included at

> >

> > <http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=664558>

> >

> > The crux of the question is whether you would be able to clarify

> > whether you consider that the licence allows modification, in order

> > to

>

> > meet one of the essential definitions here:

> >

> > http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines

> >

> > as well as whether you can relax the requirement for the display of

> > the logo since the software in question is a library package and as

> > such has no way to display the logo.

> >

> > Please note that I have CCed this request to a publicly archived

> > email

>

> > address corresponding to the above bug report. I hope that you will

> > feel able to include the CC in any response.

> >

> > Many thanks,

> > Dominic.

> >

> > [1] <http://www.debian.org/intro/free>

> >

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